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« on: August 09, 2006, 11:05:14 AM » |
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I'm not angry about it, but it is annoying that these pornstars are saturating the softcore industry too. When I watch softcore I want to see women like Angela Davies, Monique Parent, Michelle Hall, Tiffany Bolton, etc. I can see pornstars anytime. It's easy to find them. They're all over the place. In other words, they're overexposed. But it's not so easy to find Angela Davies, who is a favorite of mine.
I just wonder if I'm the only one that feels this way. Part of the fun of softcore is that it leaves a bit to the imagination, mainly because the woman aren't involved in hardcore and you haven't seen everything they've got. With pornstars, there's nothing left to the imagination, even in softcore. I've already seen them in hardcore.
Hopefully this is in the right section.
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 11:57:30 AM » |
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I'm with you on this one. I like the idea that I'm watching these actresses go as far as they are willing to go (on camera, anyway). I don't watch a lot of hardcore, but just knowing that it's out there for so many of the current crop of softcore actresses takes some of the fun out of their softcore performances.
I can understand it - I'm sure it's easier to find porn stars who are willing to do these films than to get "mainstream" actresses - but I don't have to like it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 12:20:21 PM » |
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A pornstar to me does not make for an actress I can believe in an innocent role or normal woman role. Hence the fantasy element is pretty much washed out when you see these folks in a supposed softcore film. That is one of the reasons I am starting to find it hard to be interested in SC now. If your are hardcore, then stay there and give us regular types who project a different image on and off the set for the SC stuff.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 01:55:53 PM » |
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I have to ditto lartec. I mean, does anyone really believe that Griffin Drew is a good actress?
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 02:05:41 PM » |
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I dunno. The stars of the olde days may not be great actresses, but they also didn't suck. When an actor or actress sucks, it just destroys the whole project and makes it amateurish.
BUT, I think some of the porn actresses can act. Not all, but some. And so I'm open to them coming over, so long as the stuff coming out of their mouth is as good as their boobies and their naughty bits.
The problem is that yeah, it would be nice if there were a bunch of Monique Parent clones out there who were dedicated to the softcore genre and who can act. Mo is pretty special. Girls like her are few and far between. I think it's because when a girl has acting ability, she immediately decides she has to shoot for mainstream attention and of course that means they always try and erase their softcore history from the record.
I kinda like that there's a mix right now. I agree with lartec that there are other more fundamental problems with the product rather than the stars right now.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 04:36:49 PM » |
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Seems to me the "migration" has been pretty good to SC overall. Some of the crossovers have acting chops (like Dru Berrymore & Flower Edwards), and they bring more reality to some of the sex scenes (having LOTS of practice gettin' it on while the cameras roll). 
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 08:09:52 PM » |
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I'm not angry about it, but it is annoying that these pornstars are saturating the softcore industry too. When I watch softcore I want to see women like Angela Davies, Monique Parent, Michelle Hall, Tiffany Bolton, etc. I can see pornstars anytime. It's easy to find them. They're all over the place. In other words, they're overexposed. But it's not so easy to find Angela Davies, who is a favorite of mine.
I just wonder if I'm the only one that feels this way. Part of the fun of softcore is that it leaves a bit to the imagination, mainly because the woman aren't involved in hardcore and you haven't seen everything they've got. With pornstars, there's nothing left to the imagination, even in softcore. I've already seen them in hardcore.
Well I agree with your first paragraph, but I dont see anything wrong with having pornstars in softcore. Some of them are HOT and they really get into it. But it's not really their fault that they are the only ones around who want to do softcore. Plus, I think theres less "baggage" with casting pornstars in films.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2006, 11:28:51 AM » |
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I really don't mind he porn stars that much. Although it is a little strange watching Nicole Sheriden in soft core and then seeing her getting anal in a hard core movie that I own. Would Shauna O'Brien or Shannon Tweed do that?
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2006, 03:13:52 PM » |
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I'm going to have to go with the sentiments that lartec and some others wrote. I don't mind the hardcore pornstars coming over to do softcore films--granted, that they truly want to do them. What they bring to the table is the knowledge of how to make sex look good on camera--something that softcore films had been lacking in recent years. Not all of them should do it, however. If they don't want to bother to learn lines and show at least a modicum of acting ability, stick to doing gonzo porn. I can watch them there.  With the dearth of dedicated softcore actresses out there, it's nice that there are hardcore porn girls willing to try their hand at acting a little bit. For example, I always thought Chloe could pull off a softcore role or two, and now that she's doing them more often, I find that she's pretty good at it. IMO, she's probably the best one who has made the migration. Gina Ryder is now one of my favorites--well, she was already one of my favorites, but now on both sides of the spectrum  Chelsea Blue was alright in "Behind Bedroom Doors." Nicole Sheridan isn't that bad when you put her in softcore comedies. And who can forget Tracy Ryan? Damn!  Some of these hardcore girls actually surprise me every once in a while. Like I said, though, not all of them should do it. However, because there aren't that many "softcore actresses" anymore, they're the ones generating the product. I've found that the ones that are getting better at acting are getting casted more often.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 04:08:33 PM » |
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I don't have a problem with hardcore actresses migrating to softcore, as long as they can act - which for the most part, they can't. Monique Parent. Beverly Lynne. Shannon Tweed. Tane McClure. Lisa Boyle. Catalina Larranaga. They're all gorgeous and talented, and none of them have "Anal Gang Bangs" or "Facial Frenzy" hardcore titles on their resumes. As people have posted before, there are exceptions - Nicole Sheridan is perfect for the bikini comedies, and I think Chloe is a decent actress - but for the most part, they don't impress me. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy hardcore - namely anything with the great Ashlyn Gere in it - but as far as softcore movies go, it's always better with sensual mainstream actresses who can really get into their characters and turn up the heat without.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 09:30:58 PM » |
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I submit that the lack of good stories, the abundance of rip-off compilation "movies", and the taking over of softcore by hardcore performers are all part and parcel of the same entity, that is, churning out as much low-quality cheap crap as possible.
Hardcore actresses who are as worth watching are the exception rather than the rule.
Really it's been downhill since Tom Lazarus stopped making films.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2006, 07:47:13 AM » |
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I submit that the lack of good stories, the abundance of rip-off compilation "movies", and the taking over of softcore by hardcore performers are all part and parcel of the same entity, that is, churning out as much low-quality cheap crap as possible.
Hardcore actresses who are as worth watching are the exception rather than the rule.
Really it's been downhill since Tom Lazarus stopped making films.
In all fairness...I would like to see what Mr. Lazarus does with a budget of: $110,000 for a 5 day movie and $60,000 for a three day movie. REMEMBER during Indigo days, and a lot of those films were well done, the budgets were well over $250,000....and I am sure that is why Indigo no longer produces movies. Bottom line is the key factor in all of this. NOT GOING to disagree with you about "compilation movies..but this is pure commerce and the viewer buys on these, from what I hear, are solid or MRG would not continue producing these. ADDITIONAL STATEMENT: Let us all be realistic...at least the world of soft-core continues - good or bad. This SITE is the only place where all of you can voice opinions. And I see by the "guests" that it is growing. I REQUEST..NO URGE guests PLEASE sign up. Voice your opinions. And existing members I URGE you to spread the word about this site...send out links. I do my best to drive traffic here..and believe me I have received some personal emails from non-members who voice their opinions - some favorable and some not so favorable regarding a lot of these topics. And I reply with an answer and an invitation to join "Soft-Core Reviews". MAYBE WITH A FEATURED STORY COMING IN THE NOVEMBER ISSUE OF GENESIS MAGAZINE written by Wankus of KSEX will increase members etc. And MY OFFER still stands ANYONE who is an active member of this site is always WELCOME to visit my offices and even spend the day with me to actually EXPERIENCE what is like to put one of these productions together.....doors are always open.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2006, 08:10:46 AM » |
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Robert, always so classy and informative. Thanks for the honesty and the open-door policy. Too bad I'm up here in Canada, I would certainly love to stop by and "talk shop".  I think we've all learned a lot about the industry from you and the various performers who have stopped by, and hopefully this site will continue to grow. Always appreciate a good word, thanks for giving us some promo! 
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2006, 09:54:21 AM » |
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As I have so often with this subject- I'm throwing in MY two cents. I don't care if somebody comes from the world of hardcore, softcore, apple core, or Marine Corps! As long as they give a shit and do the best they can. True, not everyone has talent, but I don't think that necessarily means they are bad. They just might be best kept in a particular type of role. It's when you see somebody sleepwalking through a role, not even trying - that's the stuff that makes me nuts. As Smooth B said, "I don't mind the hardcore pornstars coming over to do softcore films--granted, that they truly want to do them. What they bring to the table is the knowledge of how to make sex look good on camera--something that softcore films had been lacking in recent years. Not all of them should do it, however. If they don't want to bother to learn lines and show at least a modicum of acting ability, stick to doing gonzo porn. I can watch them there." I absolutely agree. But let's apply the same rule across the board. The actors from the softcore world need to want to be there as well. Everyone needs to show up and care about the project. Be excited by it. Give it your best shot. Because this thing here that we are creating is going to live for a long time. Fifteen years later, it'll show up on late night Cinemax, don't you want to feel good about your work? (Trust me, I've phoned in performances and really learned to regret it) We all know that we are not making Citizen Kane. But give it the best that you have. That's all I ask. Mo www.uniquemonique.com
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