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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2014, 03:28:35 PM »
Miss John Quinn.
Pining for the old days of softcore.

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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2014, 11:19:36 PM »
On Cinemax, with Christine Nguyen. The sex scenes are alright, but the movie has to of my SC pet peeves:
1) No undressing; straight from clothes to naked.
2) Even worse, the movie has my BIGGEST pet peeve: Only music and no moaning; no, the music isn't just louder, it's ALL you hear :angryfire: :BangHead: :violent1:

I agree with both your points. Both the editing and the music were absolutely terrible in this movie.

I will add another...

Why do so many of these movies include a creepy "old man" character? Does anyone really want to see some sleazy-looking old pervert hanging around with much younger women? Who are those characters meant to appeal to?
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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2014, 09:51:26 AM »
This is one from her twitter account, damn that ass!
Here's the only nude one I found in a short search:
I can't even easily find any nudes from her, really looking forward to this movie if it is indeed her nude debut.

Yeah,she hasnt been around long or done much.She also goes under the name Nicotine,few links I found below.I did find some Steam Punk Cosplay of her and shes showing a lil something.
http://www.freeones.com/html/n_links/Nicotine/
http://www.freeones.com/html/l_links/Lady_Clankington/

Found this on her Twitter: https://twitter.com/MsSarahHunter/status/327857598160326656/photo/1

My google-fu is ashamed.  :frown:

So from what I can tell the only thing she hasn't done yet is anal and IR, no room for her to perform some "firsts" in a softcore movie.
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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2014, 12:19:54 AM »
I just now saw this for the first time, finally! I thought it was pretty good, but I do agree with previous comments about how there is too much music during the sex scenes. It's getting old hearing this cheesy music over the woman's orgasm, when we would much rather hear the woman having the orgasm!

Christine looked great, as usual! Maybe even better than usual! And her scenes were definitely the best. Although the 4 way lez was a bit of a let down - it was far too short. But we did get an extremely rare (and extremely brief) pink shot in that scene of Sarah Hunter as she was bent over going down on another girl!

I noticed in the opening credits, that Christine and Rebecca Love had a sex scene together. Boy was I looking forward to that! The only two times they had a scene together was in Bikini Jones and Housewives From Another World - and both scenes were EPIC! This time not so much, but still very decent.

I also noticed that Christine really seems to like sex scenes with women who have large breasts. In both of her scenes with Rebecca Love in the Retromedia movies I mentioned, she went to town on Rebecca's titties!!! She did the same in this movie with Kylee Nash.

Moral of the story: Cast Christine Nguyen with more large-breasted actresses!!!!!!! Either Christine deserves an Academy Award for her acting skills during these kind of scenes, or she just really genuinely loves big breasts!

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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2014, 04:42:10 AM »
I love when Christine is so involved in her sex scenes. :love4:
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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2014, 07:31:24 PM »
But we did get an extremely rare (and extremely brief) pink shot in that scene of Sarah Hunter as she was bent over going down on another girl!

That's is the problem. Those kind of shots are far too rare now. How is it possible that the directors / producers still don't understand that's what the fans want to see? It doesn't have to be XXX, but full nudity should be the absolute minimum. At this point, Playboy is showing more explicit stuff than these recent movies.
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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2014, 08:19:56 PM »
Well said

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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2014, 10:38:54 PM »
Take it up with Cinemax and Showtime. They're the prudes who are cracking down on nudity. I imagine that if it were entirely up to Jim Wynorski, MRG and Retromedia, they'd be showing pink shots left and right (or at least more often than they do now). In fact, I don't know why Retromedia doesn't have more explicit nudity in their DVD releases; almost everything they make gets edited for cable anyway, whether there's pink or not.

Cable seems to be okay with a little pink, as long as it's shot from a distance (as evidenced by recent MRG movies). Any other close-up shots are clearly the result of bad editing and only last for a frame or two.

I can almost understand why these cable companies are sensitive about explicit nudity... they're probably afraid that if they allow too much to be shown too often, that the FCC (or some other Gov't agency) will come down on them. In fact, as I understand it, the Government doesn't have as much jurisdiction over premium cable as they do over the basic TV networks (NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX). But there's no reason that I know of why they couldn't show this stuff on DVD.

There are also other factors to consider; how much nudity are the actresses comfortable with? But based on what most of these girls have done (and are currently doing outside of softcore), i dont see how being more explicit would be much of a problem.
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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2014, 05:15:42 AM »
Having higher levels of raunchiness/nudity/sex in DVD/web releases simply makes too much sense.

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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2014, 10:42:49 AM »
With Retromedia what is on Cinemax is what is on the DVD exactly bit by bit. And has been that way for many years. They shot five movies in under two weeks. So there is no time to shoot extended scenes. The director is also the editor on all the movies so he knows exactly what is needed. Cinemax can have a heavy hand in the casting and will punish them with a lessor contract if they go against their wishes.

Most of the actresses that also do hard core porn are very business oriented and see this as lessor work and not fun. They have very strict limits on what can be shot depending on the money. Even as far as wanting more money for a fight that ends in a kiss verses one that doesn't. For those that don't shoot hard core porn but do fetish videos there is a big difference what they will allow for something that several hundred thousand will see on TV verses what a few hundred will see on a fetish video.

Retromedia and MRG will not shoot more explicit material until Cinemax demands more explicit material. They set the standards and tone. The DVD market for this material is very small and the producers end is less than a dollar per unit.
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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2014, 11:44:40 AM »
With Retromedia what is on Cinemax is what is on the DVD exactly bit by bit. And has been that way for many years. They shot five movies in under two weeks. So there is no time to shoot extended scenes. The director is also the editor on all the movies so he knows exactly what is needed. Cinemax can have a heavy hand in the casting and will punish them with a lessor contract if they go against their wishes.

Most of the actresses that also do hard core porn are very business oriented and see this as lessor work and not fun. They have very strict limits on what can be shot depending on the money. Even as far as wanting more money for a fight that ends in a kiss verses one that doesn't. For those that don't shoot hard core porn but do fetish videos there is a big difference what they will allow for something that several hundred thousand will see on TV verses what a few hundred will see on a fetish video.

Retromedia and MRG will not shoot more explicit material until Cinemax demands more explicit material. They set the standards and tone. The DVD market for this material is very small and the producers end is less than a dollar per unit.

That first paragraph is simply not true. Bikini Jones and Housewives From Another World were HEAVILY edited during the Christine / R. Love scenes. And those movies aired on Cinemax before they were released on DVD. There were at least 2 or 3 other examples where content was shortened or edited out entirely (to save on time, I imagine). Nudity wasn't necessarily cut out, but lingering shots were shortened and perhaps even dialogue was cut out. I cant say for sure which movies these were, but it did happen recently.

As far as the pornstars who view softcore as lesser work, for the most part, I agree that this is true, but it varies from actress to actress. I believe Robert Lombard (or some other insider) once mentioned that some pornstars actively seek out work in softcore. It gives them a chance to feel like real actresses and not just some sex object. Obviously, softcore pays much less than hardcore porn, but yeah, I can see how some of these ladies would be picky about how they get paid in softcore projects.

If the producers' end of the DVD sales / profits are less than a dollar per unit - then wouldn't it be in their best interest to SELL MORE DVDs? You say Cinemax sets the tone and standards - and to an extent that may be true, but what does that have to do with DVD sales??? As far as that goes, WE set the standards! Not that I'm unhappy with the level of sex and nudity in these movies, but it could be a lot better. Plenty of room for improvement in that department.

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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2014, 12:08:05 PM »
Bikini Jones and Housewives From Another World are more than four years old and with a different DVD company than they are using now.
Retromedia's present contract with Cinemax has no hold backs on the movies so the DVD release can come before the TV premier and in some cases this year will and one has already happened.

It would help to sell more DVD units but the market is too small to justify the extra time in shooting and the extra editing time. Dean only makes one edit. If you think the market is that much bigger put your own money in. Even with Roberts contacts at Cinemax the Sinsations series of movies didn't get picked up because they were too explicit  Cinaemax didn't ask for a different edit they just passed. And because of this the project lost money. At most this board only has a hundred active members where a typical porn company message board will have thousands.

All of the production team has more main stream projects to work on. The erotic comedies are just a side business.

If you think you set the standards how many emails and phone calls have you made to Cinemax, Showtime or the production companies?
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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2014, 01:25:43 PM »
We do set the standards, it's just that Cinemax and Showtime doesn't listen and we're forced to be content with what they air. But like I said, I'm not unhappy with the softcore programming, but it could be a lot better.

And who is talking about shooting "extra" material? Just shoot the material. It's not like we're asking them to rebuild the sets several weeks after filming has ended just for the sake of showing a few more seconds of girls with their legs spread open. Obviously, that would be completely impractical! How much time and money could it possibly cost to make a couple of extra edits? I sincerely believe that I and many others would be more than willing to pay an extra buck or two per movie to make up for that financial hardship.

Does Cinemax have control over the content of Retromedia DVDs? If so, why?

And nevermind how many phone calls and emails I've placed to Cinemax, Showtime, HBO, Playboy and Peach about how to improve the content of their product. I may not be an "Insider", but I do own 400+ softcore DVDs and VHS movies / videos and have been a fan of "Skinemax" for 20 years. Therefore, I'd like to think I have a pretty good handle on what the casual softcore viewer would like to see.

I want to make myself clear: I love the current state of Softcore programming! But I (and apparently many others on this board) are concerned about the direction it's heading in. Not only is there a severe lack of "pink", but even showing pubic hair is becoming more and more rare! We need to go back to the days of Surrender Cinema... Femalien, Hotel Exotica, etc... And yes, I know, Surrender failed. But I guarantee it was not because of a lack of eroticism or pink. It was because they spent too much money on marketing and they had a lack of leadership.


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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2014, 01:42:04 PM »
Cinemax has no control over what is on DVD but Retromedia is not going to invest the time into a side business for two edits. And if you had more explicit content on the DVD it puts one more complication in the casting process. They have enough problem with people dropping out because they have better paying options. Retromedia is the only production company that sees any profit in the DVD sales as it is. Either Fred is a much better business man than the rest or there is only a very small slice to be had. Look at how many people here who say they are fans but wouldn't buy a sub $20 DVD.

Yes companies were more explicit before, but that was before the explosion of internet porn and hard core porn becoming more accepted. There is a reason they all failed they didn't adjust to the changing business.

I agree that most viewers would like more explicit content but that will not happen until Cinemax, Showtime and the other primary distributors demand it. Maybe Cinemax knows what it is doing because their numbers are much better since they focused on male oriented action series.
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Re: Sexually Bugged
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2014, 02:27:20 PM »
In a way, I suppose I'm surprised that softcore even still exists with the advent of free internet porn! But the fact that it does still exist says something  :headbang:

I can only speak for myself here, but I would buy any and every movie and/or TV series MRG, John Quinn, or Wynorski ever made that was available on DVD! I already own almost every softcore Retromedia movie on DVD!

Based on what you said, I suppose I understand why Retromedia would be hesitant to show "extra" stuff on their DVDs. But I still hold to my theory that they would have better sales if they showed more pink. And if Cinemax or Showtime aired it unedited, it would only increase viewership and sales!

As for the newer Cinemax series' such as Strike Back and Banshee... I thoroughly enjoy them! But I bet they would've falled flat if they had little or no sex scenes in them. Actually, Banshee would be pretty good regardless, but I'm glad it's got plenty of sex in it anyway!